Of course I am not advocating that you cease using tools that work for you.

But I am advocating that Gabriel Maldonado, Matt Ingalls, and others who have developed these tools stop developing their personal variants of Csound and begin contributing to Csound 5. 

(I will not be angry with them or think they are fools if they don't do this, because I don't take these things personally.)

When I came on board Csound 5, I speeded up its development considerably. When Istvan Varga became a Csound 5 developer, the pace of development accelerated even more.  If Gabriel and Matt become Csound 5 developers, the pace of development should increase yet more. And our efforts will no longer be duplicated, leading to an increase in the introduction of new features and the elimination of more bugs.

After all, I used to maintain my own version of Csound.  Stopping doing that was one of the smartest things I have ever done. I still have to fix a few things in CsoundVST that get broken by other Csound 5 developers, but the number of things I have to fix and the duplication of effort that I must make has been cut to a fraction of what it was. The time that I have left, I have been using either to create new features (such as the ID tags options, re-introducing Maurizio Puxeddu's Python opcodes, porting the Loris opcodes, helping Andres Cabrera with the VST wrapper opcodes, working with Steven Yi on the Fluidsynth opcodes), improving the manual, or to.... compose! Wow!

If this happens, then of course you can continue to use CsoundAV or whatever until Csound 5 is in a state that satisfies you. None of this activity can harm you or your work in any way. Adding to Csound 5 does not subtract from CsoundAV or MacCsound.

-----Original Message-----
From: Art Hunkins 
Sent: Mar 11, 2005 11:38 AM
To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] New file release for Csound 5 and CsoundVST on Windows

True - though you developers individually will need to make that decision.
And I'll have to make my own decisions about the platforms I choose and how
I relate to the cross-platform issue.

There is certainly *much* to be said for platform-specific versions of
Csound, particularly for real-time work. Examples: 1) it will be a long time
before realtime audio output on Csound5 approaches the simplicity,
dependability and low latency, etc. of CsoundAV; 2) as Istvan admits below,
it's a lot easier to come up with defaults that suit Windows realtime, than
ones that suit all platforms (thus requiring the user to have to "fool" with
what should be default settings. I'm *still* waiting for the -B flag
requirement to become optional in CS5 - and, yes, it's very much a hassle
for me. We need defaults!)

I'll personally address AV issues directly with Gab Maldonado (as I am
currently), and CS5 issues generally with the developer group (as here). The
AV world is *now*; CS5 is more and more the future.

You mention "by the end of the year." I *hope* to be composing by then, but
I'm actually composing (and living) right now - and I must work with the
tools I've got and when I have the (God-given) time to use them.

So, God bless Gab Maldonado and CsoundAV - and for that matter, Matt Ingalls
and MacCsound. (There are others who feel just as dedicated to these
specialized programs as I do.) Their efforts - *continuing* efforts - make
it possible for many of us *actually to compose with Csound*.

Of course, God bless you other developers too. You are a very important part
of our future. Hopefully, CS5 will reach the same level of performance and
user-friendliness for Windows and Mac users that CsoundAV and MacCsound have
enjoyed for some time now.

Art Hunkins
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gogins" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] New file release for Csound 5 and CsoundVST on Windows


> Not only that, if but the developers of various versions pooled their
efforts on csound 5, we would have a superior version that works on all
platforms before the end of this year. And there would not be anything else
in computer music remotely as powerful.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Istvan Varga 
> Sent: Mar 11, 2005 7:03 AM
> To: csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] New file release for Csound 5 and CsoundVST on
Windows
>
> Art Hunkins wrote:
>
> > in CsoundAV (in contrast to all others) I *never* have to fool
>  > with buffer settings.
>
> CsoundAV does not, and will probably never run on anything other
> than Windows, making it much easier to find default buffer settings.
>
> > In CS5 Windows, the buffer issue is quite unclear and changing
>
> More details on this ?
>
>  > plus seems to be different on different platforms.
>
> Well, but Csound5 at least actually runs on different platforms.
> And things like buffer settings are highly machine dependent.
>
> > Also, since only ASIO is implemented, regular soundcard users have to
>  > install and configure ASIO4ALL.
>
> PortAudio is not limited to ASIO, it also supports DirectSound and MME
> (as well as WDM but that is experimental). You may want to ask Michael
> Gogins to include a PortAudio module that is compiled to use DirectSound
> in the next Windows file release.
>
> > I'll also add that Gab Maldonado has been active in maintaining and
> > debugging CsoundAV, and personally responsive to my particular needs
(i.e.,
> > realtime performance).
>
> Now if only all the efforts on maintaining the various platform specific
> Csound variants derived from old versions of Csound4 would be spent on
> Csound5, we would eventually get one good version instead of several
> broken ones, all with their own set of bugs that have been fixed in
others.
> And the fact is that in recent years CsoundAV was only actively developed
> in the areas of real time audio, OpenGL, and FLTK, while core language
> support is still only 4.19.
>
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