Building Csound from sources requires installing multiple dependencies, and 
thus requires developers with some modest experience.

Using Csound binaries as a library in Python, Java, Lisp, Lua, C, and C++ is 
cake. It is documented, and there are example projects that work and cover 
the basics. So I think that what you are asking for basically already 
exists.

I think we would better progress by making the Csound binaries available on 
all platforms, e.g. a Debian package in addition to the existing installers, 
and upgrading some of the installers, before making Csound easier to build.

I also think tutorial projects with a big "wow" factor are highly desirable. 
Most of the existing example projects are toys with no real musical 
interest. This needs to change.

Regards,
Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Worrall" 
To: "Developer discussions" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Custom Csound/music development services available


> Further, I think it would be very worthwhile to pull things apart and
> put them back together again so that CS
> a) was more generally accessible as (a dynamic) librar[y, ies] on
> multiple platforms. From the sidelines, the process of working
> towards a build seems torturous. This would involve a a clearer
> rationalisation of (python etc) extension scripting to better enable
> the integration of their developments (eg ipython) to be more
> seamlessly included.
> b) More broadly, an inter-process/inter-processor communication
> framework which affords better parallel instantiation.
>
> In summary a revision which emphasises the integration of csound in
> broader computational frameworks.
>
> David.
>
> On 23/10/2007, at 8:04 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>
>> Good.
>> We should probably try to define a subject for the research,
>> something that implicitly needs csound to be developed to the next
>> level (parser, multiprocessor, things already thought of for csound6,
>> and so on), and something that might make us interesting research
>> partners for institutions outside of the purely music technologic
>> areas (?)
>> ... or am I being too opportunistic here ?
>> Obviously, there's plenty of subjects that could be interesting *for
>> us*, but maybe we could try to find ways to incorporate those subjects
>> into something of wider interest.
>>
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> 2007/10/22, Victor Lazzarini :
>>> I think partners might be academic or commercial
>>> institutions. Perhaps when I come up in December
>>> we can have a quick chat about it.
>>>
>>> It'll take a bit of preparation, but might be
>>> worth it. So far we seem to have people in five
>>> countries interested (Ireland, UK, Norway, Germany
>>> and Italy). Three is the minimum, but more is
>>> probably better. Also if we could have partners
>>> in ascension countries (eg. Poland, Hungary), it
>>> would be good. I know someone in Poland I might
>>> be able to ask.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've talked briefly to NTNU about this.
>>>> They have their own agenda/profile for applications,
>>>> but it seems they could also be interested.
>>>> Last time we talked it was shortly before a deadline, and
>>>> I figured we'd not reach that one anyway. So I forgot
>>>> about it until now. How should we proceed ? I know very
>>>> little about FP7 or EU funding applications. Should the
>>>> partners be academic institutions, or commercial, or
>>>> preferably some of each type ?
>>>>
>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>
>>>> 2007/10/22, Victor Lazzarini :
>>>>> Also this points to something I keep saying: we need to
>>>>> organise ourselves and look for research funding for
>>>>> Csound development. I think we have a case for a FP7
>>>>> bid, but we need to get several EU partners together for
>>>> it. >
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:13 22/10/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>> Anthony,
>>>>>> Just my 2c of experience on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I think it will be useful for some to be able to
>>>>> hire programming help, >e.g. pay you to prioritize
>>>>> "their" task before something else that you >might find
>>>>> more interesting. I think that you might be able to find
>>>>> just as many customers outside of the specialist
>>>>> communities for music >technology (e.g. here). I do
>>>>> occationally write software for other >musicians or
>>>>> artists, and I do some csound/python for industry type
>>>>> clients. Obviously it is not the musicians and artists
>>>>> that gives the >best payment, but it's often the more
>>>>> interesting assignments. >I also think it is fair to
>>>>> release the results as OSS. >
>>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2007/10/18, Anthony Kozar :
>>>>>>> Hello all Csounders,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This email is meant to be both an announcement and a
>>>>>>> request/survey for comments about the viability of
>>>>>> the new software development services that I
>>>>>>> am offering to the open-source computer music
>>>>>> community.  I would appreciate
>>>>>>> your feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have noticed in the last few years that there are
>>>>>>> somewhat regular posts to the Csound lists where
>>>>>> users are looking for a programmer to perform some
>>>>>>> specific and usually brief task for them.  These
>>>>>>> requests range from asking for a working Csound
>>>>>>> instrument to a new Csound opcode to writing a small
>>>> utility program for some compositional or miscellaneous
>>>>>> computer music task.
>>>>>>> Sometimes these requests are answered by a volunteer
>>>>>>> and other times they are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to offer my Csound knowledge and my
>>>>>>> programming skills as a resource for hire to anyone
>>>>>>> who has a special Csound or computer-music- related
>>>> need along these lines.  I have worked as a volunteer
>>>>>>> developer for Csound and related software tools for
>>>>>>> over 4.5 years now and I intend to continue doing
>>>>>>> so.  But sometimes the immediate priorities of
>>>> volunteer developers do not meet the immediate needs of
>>>>>> open-source software users.  I
>>>>>>> would like to bridge this gap by allowing
>>>>>>> individuals to sponsor and direct my development
>>>> priorities on projects that I am already working on.  Or
>>>>>>> if you have a special private need for a
>>>>>> music-related software tool that needs
>>>>>>> updating or that does not yet exist, I am available
>>>>>>> to update or create it for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is my intention that all of the development work
>>>>>> that I would perform for
>>>>>>> hire in this way will be made available to the
>>>>>>> entire community under an appropriate open-source
>>>>>>> license.  So, my clients would in effect be
>>>> sponsoring the creation of new tools for themselves and
>>>>>> their peers. >
>>>>>>> In order to make this service accessible, I am
>>>>>> trying to keep the rates at a
>>>>>>> level that I hope will be extremely reasonable.  I
>>>>>>> anticipate the average task taking 2-5 days and I am
>>>>>> aiming to make a job of this size affordable. >
>>>>>>> More information including examples of the type of
>>>>>>> work that I am able to perform is available from
>>>>>> this section of my personal web site: >
>>>>>>> http://services.anthonykozar.net/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, Sourceforge has recently opened a public beta
>>>>>>> of a new "marketplace" for buying and selling
>>>>>>> open-source software services.  So I may soon be
>>>>>> listing my services on Sourceforge too. >
>>>>>>> I gladly welcome all feedback about the viability
>>>>>>> and usefulness of these services, their pricing, and
>>>>>>> whether or not you would ever consider employing
>>>>>> this type of service. >
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony Kozar
>>>>>>> anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
>>>>>>> http://anthonykozar.net/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> ...
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Thanks for taking the time to reply, Michael.

On 24/10/2007, at 10:33 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> Building Csound from sources requires installing multiple  
> dependencies, and
> thus requires developers with some modest experience.
>
I am aware, I'm doing it all the time.
> Using Csound binaries as a library in Python, Java, Lisp, Lua, C,  
> and C++ is
> cake. It is documented, and there are example projects that work  
> and cover
> the basics. So I think that what you are asking for basically already
> exists.
>
Cake, of course, if only one could find the appropriate boulangerie  
without wandering around the internet!
I suspect that it's cake if you're familiar with the overall  
development but from the outside it's pretty opaque once you get past  
the binary install mode.

I'm a reasonably experienced user of pre v5 csound but it has taken  
quite a while to understand what all the options/non-options are for  
any particular HW and OS combination.

csounds is not alone in this, but there is often no reference to what  
the HW/OS restrictions are for any particular package/tool and one  
can waste days trying to figure out what the appropriate toolset for  
a particular job is.

For example. I have spent days looking and I have not been able to  
find a single tutorial or example of the use of csnd.py for OSX  
10.4.10 which works 'out of the box'.

Apart from the csound API reference manual, which is not a tutorial,  
what I've found is
- Victor's 06 paper "Introduction to using the Csound Host API".
- Victor's 06 paper "Scripting Csound 5"
- Øyvind's 'A Sound Server Approach to Programming in Csound''

but none that works. Can point me to an "example project[s] that work 
[s] and cover the basics" using csnd on OSX?

....

What do you think about the interprocess(or) parallelism direction?

cheers,

David

> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Worrall" 
> To: "Developer discussions" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Custom Csound/music development services  
> available
>
>
>> Further, I think it would be very worthwhile to pull things apart and
>> put them back together again so that CS
>> a) was more generally accessible as (a dynamic) librar[y, ies] on
>> multiple platforms. From the sidelines, the process of working
>> towards a build seems torturous. This would involve a a clearer
>> rationalisation of (python etc) extension scripting to better enable
>> the integration of their developments (eg ipython) to be more
>> seamlessly included.
>> b) More broadly, an inter-process/inter-processor communication
>> framework which affords better parallel instantiation.
>>
>> In summary a revision which emphasises the integration of csound in
>> broader computational frameworks.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> On 23/10/2007, at 8:04 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>
>>> Good.
>>> We should probably try to define a subject for the research,
>>> something that implicitly needs csound to be developed to the next
>>> level (parser, multiprocessor, things already thought of for  
>>> csound6,
>>> and so on), and something that might make us interesting research
>>> partners for institutions outside of the purely music technologic
>>> areas (?)
>>> ... or am I being too opportunistic here ?
>>> Obviously, there's plenty of subjects that could be interesting *for
>>> us*, but maybe we could try to find ways to incorporate those  
>>> subjects
>>> into something of wider interest.
>>>
>>> Oeyvind
>>>
>>> 2007/10/22, Victor Lazzarini :
>>>> I think partners might be academic or commercial
>>>> institutions. Perhaps when I come up in December
>>>> we can have a quick chat about it.
>>>>
>>>> It'll take a bit of preparation, but might be
>>>> worth it. So far we seem to have people in five
>>>> countries interested (Ireland, UK, Norway, Germany
>>>> and Italy). Three is the minimum, but more is
>>>> probably better. Also if we could have partners
>>>> in ascension countries (eg. Poland, Hungary), it
>>>> would be good. I know someone in Poland I might
>>>> be able to ask.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've talked briefly to NTNU about this.
>>>>> They have their own agenda/profile for applications,
>>>>> but it seems they could also be interested.
>>>>> Last time we talked it was shortly before a deadline, and
>>>>> I figured we'd not reach that one anyway. So I forgot
>>>>> about it until now. How should we proceed ? I know very
>>>>> little about FP7 or EU funding applications. Should the
>>>>> partners be academic institutions, or commercial, or
>>>>> preferably some of each type ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>
>>>>> 2007/10/22, Victor Lazzarini :
>>>>>> Also this points to something I keep saying: we need to
>>>>>> organise ourselves and look for research funding for
>>>>>> Csound development. I think we have a case for a FP7
>>>>>> bid, but we need to get several EU partners together for
>>>>> it. >
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 10:13 22/10/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Anthony,
>>>>>>> Just my 2c of experience on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I think it will be useful for some to be able to
>>>>>> hire programming help, >e.g. pay you to prioritize
>>>>>> "their" task before something else that you >might find
>>>>>> more interesting. I think that you might be able to find
>>>>>> just as many customers outside of the specialist
>>>>>> communities for music >technology (e.g. here). I do
>>>>>> occationally write software for other >musicians or
>>>>>> artists, and I do some csound/python for industry type
>>>>>> clients. Obviously it is not the musicians and artists
>>>>>> that gives the >best payment, but it's often the more
>>>>>> interesting assignments. >I also think it is fair to
>>>>>> release the results as OSS. >
>>>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2007/10/18, Anthony Kozar :
>>>>>>>> Hello all Csounders,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This email is meant to be both an announcement and a
>>>>>>>> request/survey for comments about the viability of
>>>>>>> the new software development services that I
>>>>>>>> am offering to the open-source computer music
>>>>>>> community.  I would appreciate
>>>>>>>> your feedback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have noticed in the last few years that there are
>>>>>>>> somewhat regular posts to the Csound lists where
>>>>>>> users are looking for a programmer to perform some
>>>>>>>> specific and usually brief task for them.  These
>>>>>>>> requests range from asking for a working Csound
>>>>>>>> instrument to a new Csound opcode to writing a small
>>>>> utility program for some compositional or miscellaneous
>>>>>>> computer music task.
>>>>>>>> Sometimes these requests are answered by a volunteer
>>>>>>>> and other times they are not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to offer my Csound knowledge and my
>>>>>>>> programming skills as a resource for hire to anyone
>>>>>>>> who has a special Csound or computer-music- related
>>>>> need along these lines.  I have worked as a volunteer
>>>>>>>> developer for Csound and related software tools for
>>>>>>>> over 4.5 years now and I intend to continue doing
>>>>>>>> so.  But sometimes the immediate priorities of
>>>>> volunteer developers do not meet the immediate needs of
>>>>>>> open-source software users.  I
>>>>>>>> would like to bridge this gap by allowing
>>>>>>>> individuals to sponsor and direct my development
>>>>> priorities on projects that I am already working on.  Or
>>>>>>>> if you have a special private need for a
>>>>>>> music-related software tool that needs
>>>>>>>> updating or that does not yet exist, I am available
>>>>>>>> to update or create it for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is my intention that all of the development work
>>>>>>> that I would perform for
>>>>>>>> hire in this way will be made available to the
>>>>>>>> entire community under an appropriate open-source
>>>>>>>> license.  So, my clients would in effect be
>>>>> sponsoring the creation of new tools for themselves and
>>>>>>> their peers. >
>>>>>>>> In order to make this service accessible, I am
>>>>>>> trying to keep the rates at a
>>>>>>>> level that I hope will be extremely reasonable.  I
>>>>>>>> anticipate the average task taking 2-5 days and I am
>>>>>>> aiming to make a job of this size affordable. >
>>>>>>>> More information including examples of the type of
>>>>>>>> work that I am able to perform is available from
>>>>>>> this section of my personal web site: >
>>>>>>>> http://services.anthonykozar.net/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, Sourceforge has recently opened a public beta
>>>>>>>> of a new "marketplace" for buying and selling
>>>>>>>> open-source software services.  So I may soon be
>>>>>>> listing my services on Sourceforge too. >
>>>>>>>> I gladly welcome all feedback about the viability
>>>>>>>> and usefulness of these services, their pricing, and
>>>>>>>> whether or not you would ever consider employing
>>>>>>> this type of service. >
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony Kozar
>>>>>>>> anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
>>>>>>>> http://anthonykozar.net/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> ...
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Hi Mike,

Some comments on the second part of your reply.

On 24/10/2007, at 10:33 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> ...
> I think we would better progress by making the Csound binaries  
> available on
> all platforms, e.g. a Debian package in addition to the existing  
> installers,
> and upgrading some of the installers, before making Csound easier  
> to build.
>
I don't disagree. Being a novice csounder does not necessarily mean  
being a novice programmer however.

> I also think tutorial projects with a big "wow" factor are highly  
> desirable.
> Most of the existing example projects are toys with no real musical
> interest. This needs to change.
>
I don't disagree. But part of "wow" is the ease of getting something  
to work "out of the box".
This is the way James M quickly bootstrapped Supercollider into an  
active user's group. Of course he had the advantage that he was on  
only one platform.
But that actually emphasizes my point: Unless (documentation for) a  
tool/add-on states explicitly that it is for platform 'x' and OS 'y'   
it should work seamlessly on everything within reason
without the novice having to try all sorts of possibilities.  
Compatibility issues are hardly new (ever tried to undo a BS nut with  
a metric spanner?)  and are part of overall QA.

Because of my previous experience, I know csound to be an amazing  
tool so I know to persevere, but many won't and wouldn't. I mean no  
disrespect to the incredible work done by some amazing people.  
However, until some documentation QA procedures are in place, people  
looking for a flexible tool won't be immediately attracted to csound.  
This is particularly the case for new users who might be coming to it  
without an algorithmic-composition background.

Whilst the heat on the 'bleeding edge' always makes it 'the exciting  
place to be' I suggest before, or during, whatever the next stage is,  
that some careful planning (and money, if there's to be any) needs to  
be applied to the website, including a search engine,  a decent  
glossary of terms and a insistence that anything that written  
includes explicit platform/OS labeling (what it's been tested on etc).

I'd also clean up the users-forum as it looks neglected (Many  
questions not replied to etc) or delete it and encourage users go to  
this forum (which Rory Walsh does in his intro to the host API paper.

I do hope people aren't  offended by my directness. I wouldn't bother  
to write at all if I didn't care. Once I get my head around all the  
new stuff, I'll be happy to make some +ve contributions myself.

All the best,

David


> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Worrall" 
> To: "Developer discussions" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Custom Csound/music development services  
> available
>
>
>> Further, I think it would be very worthwhile to pull things apart and
>> put them back together again so that CS
>> a) was more generally accessible as (a dynamic) librar[y, ies] on
>> multiple platforms. From the sidelines, the process of working
>> towards a build seems torturous. This would involve a a clearer
>> rationalisation of (python etc) extension scripting to better enable
>> the integration of their developments (eg ipython) to be more
>> seamlessly included.
>> b) More broadly, an inter-process/inter-processor communication
>> framework which affords better parallel instantiation.
>>
>> In summary a revision which emphasises the integration of csound in
>> broader computational frameworks.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> On 23/10/2007, at 8:04 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>
>>> Good.
>>> We should probably try to define a subject for the research,
>>> something that implicitly needs csound to be developed to the next
>>> level (parser, multiprocessor, things already thought of for  
>>> csound6,
>>> and so on), and something that might make us interesting research
>>> partners for institutions outside of the purely music technologic
>>> areas (?)
>>> ... or am I being too opportunistic here ?
>>> Obviously, there's plenty of subjects that could be interesting *for
>>> us*, but maybe we could try to find ways to incorporate those  
>>> subjects
>>> into something of wider interest.
>>>
>>> Oeyvind
>>>
>>> 2007/10/22, Victor Lazzarini :
>>>> I think partners might be academic or commercial
>>>> institutions. Perhaps when I come up in December
>>>> we can have a quick chat about it.
>>>>
>>>> It'll take a bit of preparation, but might be
>>>> worth it. So far we seem to have people in five
>>>> countries interested (Ireland, UK, Norway, Germany
>>>> and Italy). Three is the minimum, but more is
>>>> probably better. Also if we could have partners
>>>> in ascension countries (eg. Poland, Hungary), it
>>>> would be good. I know someone in Poland I might
>>>> be able to ask.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've talked briefly to NTNU about this.
>>>>> They have their own agenda/profile for applications,
>>>>> but it seems they could also be interested.
>>>>> Last time we talked it was shortly before a deadline, and
>>>>> I figured we'd not reach that one anyway. So I forgot
>>>>> about it until now. How should we proceed ? I know very
>>>>> little about FP7 or EU funding applications. Should the
>>>>> partners be academic institutions, or commercial, or
>>>>> preferably some of each type ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>
>>>>> 2007/10/22, Victor Lazzarini :
>>>>>> Also this points to something I keep saying: we need to
>>>>>> organise ourselves and look for research funding for
>>>>>> Csound development. I think we have a case for a FP7
>>>>>> bid, but we need to get several EU partners together for
>>>>> it. >
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 10:13 22/10/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Anthony,
>>>>>>> Just my 2c of experience on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I think it will be useful for some to be able to
>>>>>> hire programming help, >e.g. pay you to prioritize
>>>>>> "their" task before something else that you >might find
>>>>>> more interesting. I think that you might be able to find
>>>>>> just as many customers outside of the specialist
>>>>>> communities for music >technology (e.g. here). I do
>>>>>> occationally write software for other >musicians or
>>>>>> artists, and I do some csound/python for industry type
>>>>>> clients. Obviously it is not the musicians and artists
>>>>>> that gives the >best payment, but it's often the more
>>>>>> interesting assignments. >I also think it is fair to
>>>>>> release the results as OSS. >
>>>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2007/10/18, Anthony Kozar :
>>>>>>>> Hello all Csounders,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This email is meant to be both an announcement and a
>>>>>>>> request/survey for comments about the viability of
>>>>>>> the new software development services that I
>>>>>>>> am offering to the open-source computer music
>>>>>>> community.  I would appreciate
>>>>>>>> your feedback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have noticed in the last few years that there are
>>>>>>>> somewhat regular posts to the Csound lists where
>>>>>>> users are looking for a programmer to perform some
>>>>>>>> specific and usually brief task for them.  These
>>>>>>>> requests range from asking for a working Csound
>>>>>>>> instrument to a new Csound opcode to writing a small
>>>>> utility program for some compositional or miscellaneous
>>>>>>> computer music task.
>>>>>>>> Sometimes these requests are answered by a volunteer
>>>>>>>> and other times they are not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to offer my Csound knowledge and my
>>>>>>>> programming skills as a resource for hire to anyone
>>>>>>>> who has a special Csound or computer-music- related
>>>>> need along these lines.  I have worked as a volunteer
>>>>>>>> developer for Csound and related software tools for
>>>>>>>> over 4.5 years now and I intend to continue doing
>>>>>>>> so.  But sometimes the immediate priorities of
>>>>> volunteer developers do not meet the immediate needs of
>>>>>>> open-source software users.  I
>>>>>>>> would like to bridge this gap by allowing
>>>>>>>> individuals to sponsor and direct my development
>>>>> priorities on projects that I am already working on.  Or
>>>>>>>> if you have a special private need for a
>>>>>>> music-related software tool that needs
>>>>>>>> updating or that does not yet exist, I am available
>>>>>>>> to update or create it for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is my intention that all of the development work
>>>>>>> that I would perform for
>>>>>>>> hire in this way will be made available to the
>>>>>>>> entire community under an appropriate open-source
>>>>>>>> license.  So, my clients would in effect be
>>>>> sponsoring the creation of new tools for themselves and
>>>>>>> their peers. >
>>>>>>>> In order to make this service accessible, I am
>>>>>>> trying to keep the rates at a
>>>>>>>> level that I hope will be extremely reasonable.  I
>>>>>>>> anticipate the average task taking 2-5 days and I am
>>>>>>> aiming to make a job of this size affordable. >
>>>>>>>> More information including examples of the type of
>>>>>>>> work that I am able to perform is available from
>>>>>>> this section of my personal web site: >
>>>>>>>> http://services.anthonykozar.net/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, Sourceforge has recently opened a public beta
>>>>>>>> of a new "marketplace" for buying and selling
>>>>>>>> open-source software services.  So I may soon be
>>>>>>> listing my services on Sourceforge too. >
>>>>>>>> I gladly welcome all feedback about the viability
>>>>>>>> and usefulness of these services, their pricing, and
>>>>>>>> whether or not you would ever consider employing
>>>>>>> this type of service. >
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony Kozar
>>>>>>>> anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
>>>>>>>> http://anthonykozar.net/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> ...
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>> University of Canberra: creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/
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I am glad that you are complaining about this David :)

I am always annoyed when I discover a new, interesting-sounding piece of
software and I cannot find any reference on its web site to which platforms
it runs on.  In many cases, they turn out to be Windows-only and it is
frustrating to have to search for or even download an executable to
determine that.

That is why I have been trying to get this information about all of the
Csound packages for months so that I can add it to the web site!  I simply
cannot determine this on my own (I do not have the required machines).

You can see my efforts in the relatively new FAQ section of the Sourceforge
web page for Csound.  I would appreciate contributions from anyone who can
provide me with more complete and accurate information.  Thanks. :)

Anthony Kozar
anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
http://anthonykozar.net/

David Worrall wrote on 10/29/07 8:43 PM:

> I'm a reasonably experienced user of pre v5 csound but it has taken
> quite a while to understand what all the options/non-options are for
> any particular HW and OS combination.
> 
> csounds is not alone in this, but there is often no reference to what
> the HW/OS restrictions are for any particular package/tool and one
> can waste days trying to figure out what the appropriate toolset for
> a particular job is.


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