That sounds like really good news then if we can just drop msvcr80.dll in a directory. Maybe you could put a copy of it somewhere for others who have had problems with 5.07 like Tim to download and try putting in their csound/bin directory to see if that will alleviate their problem? (If you want to send me a copy via email, I can post it on my site for others to download and try). steven On Nov 7, 2007 7:21 PM, Michael Gogins wrote: > Thanks for the explanation. For some reason I rarely have FTP failures and > the other steps seem routine. > > The advantage, for me, is that when this is done there is never any doubt or > ambiguity about where to go or what is what. > > By the way, I think that we can simply drop msvc80.dll into the Csound bin > directory. It now looks like the manifest business only applies to programs, > not DLLs. I am using the Microsoft "depend" tool to verify that the DLL is > being loaded from this location for rtpa.dll and fluidsynth.dll. I will > upload new point releases as soon as I have verified this. It is only > portaudio_x86.dll and fluidsynth.dll that are being built with Visual C++ at > this time. > > This all happened because I applied Service Pack 1 to my Visual C++ Express > Edition to be sure I had the latest version, and I did not understand that > this brought in the manifest files, msvcr80.dll, etc., because of course > Service Pack 1 put msvcr80.dll und so weiter into the WinSxS directory where > they just worked for me. > > Best, > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Yi" > > To: "Developer discussions" > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers > > > > Well, for me, from all the releases I've done with blue, I always find > > myself anxious when doing releases with SF as the FTP system has been > > telling me the upload failed even though it didn't, plus having to > > upload, then go in and select all the files to add the release, then > > going to mark them for file types is much more work than uploading to > > an FTP and saying "here they are!". > > > > On Nov 7, 2007 6:08 PM, Michael Gogins wrote: > >> What do you mean about the file release system being hard to use? All we > >> have to do is add "BETA" to the filename. I find this is a very easy > >> system > >> to use. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Mike > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steven Yi" > >> To: "Michael Gogins" ; "Developer discussions" > >> > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers > >> > >> > >> > Hopefully that will work, if not, is there a technical reason that you > >> > switched to VC++ versus staying with MinGW? Or are there any > >> > objections to building for release using MinGW? > >> > > >> > Taking into account Dr. B's email regarding Seoul and missing .dll's, > >> > I am thinking as a post mortem to this whole 5.07 experience that we > >> > might want to invest in doing at least one public beta build versus > >> > going straight to release and to try to catch problems with that. I > >> > think it would help make expectations be what they should plus it > >> > would give us time to fix any issues for a "release" quality build. I > >> > think there are users in our community who would be willing to try out > >> > betas and give feedback. > >> > > >> > For a new release, I think we should do one as soon as possible as > >> > Victor has fixed diskin and I think we can probably research and fix > >> > turnoff2 and those affect everyone. For the windows build, I can > >> > install NSIS and will try to get involved with building and testing > >> > that (will have to wait until after tomorrow though!). > >> > > >> > For the betas, we can use sourceforge but as we all know who have used > >> > the file release system that it is not very easy to use. It might be > >> > worth creating an ftp site just for downloading betas. > >> > > >> > Thoughts anyone? > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > steven > >> > > >> > > >> > On Nov 7, 2007 10:07 AM, Michael Gogins wrote: > >> >> It's not that simple... VC++ binaries now always have a manifest, and > >> >> the > >> >> CRT in the manifest must be where and what version the manifest says. > >> >> Just including msvcr80.dll in the installer and putting it where the > >> >> manifest says should would do the job, and I will indeed try that. But > >> >> I'm not sure this is the best solution; Windows in general wants to > >> >> find > >> >> these libraries in WinSxS, which is where the redistributable > >> >> installer > >> >> puts them. > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> Mike > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >From: Steven Yi > >> >> >Sent: Nov 7, 2007 11:35 AM > >> >> >To: Developer discussions > >> >> >Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers > >> >> > > >> >> >Is it the game plan to package the msvcrt80.dll with Csound so that > >> >> >users won't need to download separately? > >> >> > > >> >> >On Nov 7, 2007 5:24 AM, Michael Gogins wrote: > >> >> >> This is not my doing, it is Microsoft's. I expect this to be a > >> >> >> permanent > >> >> >> situation. Microsoft's reasoning is that they need to tie binaries > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> specific versions of libraries for stability and security reasons, > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> this > >> >> >> is how they chose to do it. The same problems do indeed exist on > >> >> >> Linux, but > >> >> >> the Linux solution is qualified sonames, e.g. csound32.so.5.1 or > >> >> >> csound32.so.5.0. I guess this was too simple and Linux-like for > >> >> >> Microsoft to > >> >> >> copy. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sorry. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Regards, > >> >> >> Mike > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> From: "Tim Mortimer" > >> >> >> To: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:45 AM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] OSC on Windows float installers > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > My XP installation is Service Pack 1 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 1) do i still need to do this? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 2) the link to the microsoft download Visual C++ site (i.e. your > >> >> >> > link > >> >> >> > Mike) > >> >> >> > says > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack 3; > >> >> >> > Windows > >> >> >> > 98; > >> >> >> > Windows 98 Second Edition; Windows ME; Windows Server 2003; > >> >> >> > Windows > >> >> >> > XP > >> >> >> > Service Pack 2" > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > if 1) == "yes" then i guess this means i'd better find a service > >> >> >> > pack 2 > >> >> >> > update - just so i can continue to run Csound? (my music PC was > >> >> >> > not, > >> >> >> > is > >> >> >> > not, > >> >> >> > & never will be online...) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I don't like to be picky, but i am starting to get a hunch that > >> >> >> > this > >> >> >> > is > >> >> >> > not > >> >> >> > an "ideal" solution.... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > An avid watcher of this thread (who understands little other than > >> >> >> > it > >> >> >> > has > >> >> >> > some potentially major implications beyond my level of expertise > >> >> >> > & > >> >> >> > understanding) awaits further input & developments.... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Michael Gogins wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I have discovered the cause of these problems with rtpa.dll and > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> Fluid > >> >> >> >> opcodes. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> In Csound 5.07's Windows installers, I built the PortAudio DLL > >> >> >> >> (used by > >> >> >> >> rtpa.dll) and the FluidSynth DLL (used by fluidOpcodes.dll) > >> >> >> >> using > >> >> >> >> Microsoft > >> >> >> >> Visual C++ Express Edition, Service Pack 1, instead of with > >> >> >> >> MSYS/MinGW or > >> >> >> >> MSVC++ Express Edition before the service pack, as I used to do. > >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> result > >> >> >> >> is a more complete, up to date, and probably faster build. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> However, with Service Pack 1, Visual C++ creates a "manifest" > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> all > >> >> >> >> applications and DLLs that tightly ties the binary with a > >> >> >> >> specific > >> >> >> >> version > >> >> >> >> of the Microsoft C runtime library (msvcr80.dll, in this case). > >> >> >> >> This DLL > >> >> >> >> has > >> >> >> >> to be just exactly the right version (specified in the manifest) > >> >> >> >> and it > >> >> >> >> has > >> >> >> >> to be installed in the just right location (also specified in > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> manifest). > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The best way for you and other users to resolve these issues is > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> download > >> >> >> >> and run the following installer, which installs the required > >> >> >> >> runtime > >> >> >> >> library > >> >> >> >> and other DLLs as "side by side" assemblies in the Windows > >> >> >> >> directory: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=32BC1BEE-A3F9-4C13-9C99-220B62A191EE&displaylang=en > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I recommend that you do this, and please let us all know if it > >> >> >> >> works! > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Alternatively, you could try to download msvcr80.dll from > >> >> >> >> http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvcr80 and > >> >> >> >> copy > >> >> >> >> it > >> >> >> >> into > >> >> >> >> your Csound bin directory as a "private assembly". The manifest > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> portaudio_x86.dll is: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> manifestVersion='1.0'> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> version='8.0.50608.0' processorArchitecture='x86' > >> >> >> >> publicKeyToken='1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b' /> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> So, I think if you ended up with this it should work: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> csound/bin/Microsoft.VC80.CRT/msvcr80.dll > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I will attempt to put msvcr80.dll into the installer in the > >> >> >> >> correct > >> >> >> >> directory as a private assembly. If that does not work, I will > >> >> >> >> include > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> redistributable installer in the Csound installer. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Hope this helps, > >> >> >> >> Mike > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > View this message in context: > >> >> >> > http://www.nabble.com/OSC-on-Windows-float-installers-tf4762094.html#a13623974 > >> >> >> > Sent from the Csound - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > >> >> >> > Still grepping through log files to find problems? 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