On Tuesday 18 April 2006 2:00 pm, Istvan Varga wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 April 2006 21:54, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> > If you say "this newer work that we are all proud of solves problem x",
> > but the user depends having "feature y", but it is absent, it makes it
> > messy to have to have two executables to do one thing. I want to be able
> > to write my music, and I can't yet in Csound5, that's all.
>
> Of course, you can stick with 4.23 for as long as you want. Yet, this
> should not be a reason to try to discourage everyone else from using the
> new version.

Let me be clear--I'm not trying to discourage anyone from using version 5. I 
too am excited to test Csound5 and get it up and running!

I'm just illustrating that it might be hasty to push distributions to offer 
Csound5 to the exclusion of Csound4, which is very well tested and stable at 
this point.

I have an axe to grind about this with some Linux developers---just look at 
udev vs. devfs vs. regular kernel naming using a MAKDEV script in the /dev 
directory. The kernel developers of udev (namely Greg Kroah-Hartman) ruffled 
more than a few feathers by declaring devfs and the old naming scheme 
deprecated and 'dead', and pushing a new code base on the end user that was 
far from mature and stable and ready for the end user. IMO udev is a stinking 
mess,(call devfs what you want--it worked remarkably well) but the whole 
'bleeding edge' mentality made the whole community embrace, en masse, the 
newest thing. It started something of a schism, not to mention Mr. Hartman 
said some very insulting and cocky things about the old code base, which I'm 
sure hurt those developers feelings. After deciding to take the plunge into 
udev, it took me days to get it working reasonably well, which is a sure sign 
of bad (or at least beta) software. And I still had to hack a daemon script 
in Python to get my Palm Pilot to hotsync at all....!!

That being said, beta testing has to be done, innovation has to move on, and 
I'm glad you guys are giving Csound a face-lift with some fresh new ideas (I 
esp. think the rethinking of ftables in the orc/sco layout is promising)

I don't mean to say that Csound5 is beta, either--it could be my experience 
with it yesterday was a fluke of my config, distro, unfamiliarity with 
pre-reqs, whatever. So forgive the comparison!

I'll let you know how things work out once I get the pre-req PortAudio stuff 
installed (BTW, I'm not at all convinced that PortAudio is a necessary 
existence, but that's another story...I assume it's default for Csound5 
because you want to stress its' cross-platform nature?)

Peace,
Aaron.


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