Does anyone use the opcode fin?  There seems to be a number of problems
with it not doing exactly what it says in the manual, and it is hard
to fix.  One option is to deprecate it as diskin provides the same
facility.  But I do not want to break backward compatability unless there
is little danger.
==John ffitch

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How does deprecating fin break backward compatibility? You can still
run code using fin and it will behave as it used to behave, correct?
Or has the behavior broken?

Best,
Mike

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:29 PM John  wrote:
>
> Does anyone use the opcode fin?  There seems to be a number of problems
> with it not doing exactly what it says in the manual, and it is hard
> to fix.  One option is to deprecate it as diskin provides the same
> facility.  But I do not want to break backward compatability unless there
> is little danger.
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The behaviour is broken.  THe manual asserts that it opens the audio fie 
and uses the header if present, and the format argument says what to do if 
it is raw.  In the event it always opens the file as raw and ignores the 
header.

There are other aspects of fin that are less than nice, like the result 
showing as an input.  As diskin does te same and more really I like to 
delete te opode but that certainly breaks te past if any one uses it.



On Thu, 23 Jul 2020, Michael Gogins wrote:

> How does deprecating fin break backward compatibility? You can still
> run code using fin and it will behave as it used to behave, correct?
> Or has the behavior broken?
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:29 PM John  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone use the opcode fin?  There seems to be a number of problems
>> with it not doing exactly what it says in the manual, and it is hard
>> to fix.  One option is to deprecate it as diskin provides the same
>> facility.  But I do not want to break backward compatability unless there
>> is little danger.
>> ==John ffitch
>>
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I'd say fix the manual to conform with behaviour and mark it as deprecated. No point fixing code like that.

Prof. Victor Lazzarini
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> On 24 Jul 2020, at 17:31, john  wrote:
> 
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> 
> The behaviour is broken.  THe manual asserts that it opens the audio fie
> and uses the header if present, and the format argument says what to do if
> it is raw.  In the event it always opens the file as raw and ignores the
> header.
> 
> There are other aspects of fin that are less than nice, like the result
> showing as an input.  As diskin does te same and more really I like to
> delete te opode but that certainly breaks te past if any one uses it.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020, Michael Gogins wrote:
>> 
>> How does deprecating fin break backward compatibility? You can still
>> run code using fin and it will behave as it used to behave, correct?
>> Or has the behavior broken?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Mike
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
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>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:29 PM John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone use the opcode fin?  There seems to be a number of problems
>>> with it not doing exactly what it says in the manual, and it is hard
>>> to fix.  One option is to deprecate it as diskin provides the same
>>> facility.  But I do not want to break backward compatability unless there
>>> is little danger.
>>> ==John ffitch
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I agree with Victor, and my question to John was really, was this
always broken or is this a new change in behavior? If it was always
broken it is backwardly compatible.

Regards,
Mike

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:49 PM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>
> I'd say fix the manual to conform with behaviour and mark it as deprecated. No point fixing code like that.
>
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> > On 24 Jul 2020, at 17:31, john  wrote:
> >
> > *Warning*
> >
> > This email originated from outside of Maynooth University's Mail System. Do not reply, click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
> >
> > The behaviour is broken.  THe manual asserts that it opens the audio fie
> > and uses the header if present, and the format argument says what to do if
> > it is raw.  In the event it always opens the file as raw and ignores the
> > header.
> >
> > There are other aspects of fin that are less than nice, like the result
> > showing as an input.  As diskin does te same and more really I like to
> > delete te opode but that certainly breaks te past if any one uses it.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020, Michael Gogins wrote:
> >>
> >> How does deprecating fin break backward compatibility? You can still
> >> run code using fin and it will behave as it used to behave, correct?
> >> Or has the behavior broken?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------------------
> >> Michael Gogins
> >> Irreducible Productions
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> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:29 PM John  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone use the opcode fin?  There seems to be a number of problems
> >>> with it not doing exactly what it says in the manual, and it is hard
> >>> to fix.  One option is to deprecate it as diskin provides the same
> >>> facility.  But I do not want to break backward compatability unless there
> >>> is little danger.
> >>> ==John ffitch
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