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[Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Date2019-10-22 22:56
From"Patrick.Pagano~"
Subject[Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
i cannot get it to work I have tried with Max8 and Ableton on Windows10 and
Macintosh [Mojave] and both seem to be broken. Not sure of 10.1 broke it i
am testing with and without the "bundled version" of Max but it looks like
it needs to be re-compiled 

Can someone help me compile a working version for Win10 & Mac?
I really could on CS4LIVE



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Date2019-10-22 23:11
From"Patrick.Pagano~"
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I just double checked to see if the bundled version and the full version
behaved the same way and they do.
I am hopeful someone can point me in the direction of a solution for this
please?

I don't want to roll back 





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Date2019-10-23 00:10
FromRaphaelV
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
People in the Max forum seem to have solved the problem. Haven't tried it for
myself, but it seems to have solved the problem


https://cycling74.com/forums/csound-in-max-7/replies/1#reply-5daf6a83a16bae7ed51de9f7

https://vboehm.net/downloads/



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Date2019-10-23 15:30
From"Patrick.Pagano~"
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Great i'll try this tonight 
i am very familiar with Volker's 64 exploits i just did not know they had
reached csound~
he did an amazing job with fiddle~ and sigmund~ so i am not surprised

THANK YOU for the info. 
i need to get both Windows10 AND Mac running but this is a great start

pp



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Date2019-10-24 14:26
From"Patrick.Pagano~"
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though 
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 15:52
Frompat pagano
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 



On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 16:32
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:
cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 
That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 



On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 17:29
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:
cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 
That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 



On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 17:33
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:
Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:
cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 
That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 



On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 17:38
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:
Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:
cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 
That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 



On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 20:09
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 22:38
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Let me take a look..

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-25 23:36
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I think you can take that code out of the CMakelists.txt file, if you are sure you have all the dependencies installed. I just did that here and I got a little further. Once Cmake runs it will generate an MSVC project for you. Set the csound~ as the startup project and then add the include dirs for libsndfile, pthread and Csound. You'll also need to add info for the Additional Libraries and Libraries Inlcude dir in your project settings for pthread and libsndfile. This should get you close to a build.. I'm sorry I don't have time to pursue it here, but I'm happy to try and guide you if I can. 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 22:38, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Let me take a look..

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-26 11:14
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Can you try the binaries here. I don't have Max, or Max4Live so I've no idea if these will work. You should make sure Csound is installed. Let me know how you get on. I'm not sure how much more I can do on my end without having the tools to test these. The CMake script is pretty minimal for this project. 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 23:36, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I think you can take that code out of the CMakelists.txt file, if you are sure you have all the dependencies installed. I just did that here and I got a little further. Once Cmake runs it will generate an MSVC project for you. Set the csound~ as the startup project and then add the include dirs for libsndfile, pthread and Csound. You'll also need to add info for the Additional Libraries and Libraries Inlcude dir in your project settings for pthread and libsndfile. This should get you close to a build.. I'm sorry I don't have time to pursue it here, but I'm happy to try and guide you if I can. 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 22:38, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Let me take a look..

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-26 14:34
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Thanks.  Still getting that “Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.”  Something else is going on.  Thanks, anyways.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:15 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Can you try the binaries here. I don't have Max, or Max4Live so I've no idea if these will work. You should make sure Csound is installed. Let me know how you get on. I'm not sure how much more I can do on my end without having the tools to test these. The CMake script is pretty minimal for this project. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 23:36, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I think you can take that code out of the CMakelists.txt file, if you are sure you have all the dependencies installed. I just did that here and I got a little further. Once Cmake runs it will generate an MSVC project for you. Set the csound~ as the startup project and then add the include dirs for libsndfile, pthread and Csound. You'll also need to add info for the Additional Libraries and Libraries Inlcude dir in your project settings for pthread and libsndfile. This should get you close to a build.. I'm sorry I don't have time to pursue it here, but I'm happy to try and guide you if I can. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 22:38, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Let me take a look..

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-26 14:51
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Ok, but max sees the object? 

On Sat 26 Oct 2019, 15:35 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.  Still getting that “Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.”  Something else is going on.  Thanks, anyways.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:15 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Can you try the binaries here. I don't have Max, or Max4Live so I've no idea if these will work. You should make sure Csound is installed. Let me know how you get on. I'm not sure how much more I can do on my end without having the tools to test these. The CMake script is pretty minimal for this project. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 23:36, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I think you can take that code out of the CMakelists.txt file, if you are sure you have all the dependencies installed. I just did that here and I got a little further. Once Cmake runs it will generate an MSVC project for you. Set the csound~ as the startup project and then add the include dirs for libsndfile, pthread and Csound. You'll also need to add info for the Additional Libraries and Libraries Inlcude dir in your project settings for pthread and libsndfile. This should get you close to a build.. I'm sorry I don't have time to pursue it here, but I'm happy to try and guide you if I can. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 22:38, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Let me take a look..

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-26 15:06
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Oh yeah.  No problem there directly in Max.  I haven’t had that problem at all within Max directly, even with the current object release.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 9:51 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
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Ok, but max sees the object? 

 

On Sat 26 Oct 2019, 15:35 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.  Still getting that “Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.”  Something else is going on.  Thanks, anyways.

 

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Can you try the binaries here. I don't have Max, or Max4Live so I've no idea if these will work. You should make sure Csound is installed. Let me know how you get on. I'm not sure how much more I can do on my end without having the tools to test these. The CMake script is pretty minimal for this project. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 23:36, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I think you can take that code out of the CMakelists.txt file, if you are sure you have all the dependencies installed. I just did that here and I got a little further. Once Cmake runs it will generate an MSVC project for you. Set the csound~ as the startup project and then add the include dirs for libsndfile, pthread and Csound. You'll also need to add info for the Additional Libraries and Libraries Inlcude dir in your project settings for pthread and libsndfile. This should get you close to a build.. I'm sorry I don't have time to pursue it here, but I'm happy to try and guide you if I can. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 22:38, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Let me take a look..

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

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From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-26 21:39
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Ah, Ok. Right, I'll need to get the Max demo and try it there. It's an 8 hour download where I am at the moment, so it'll have to wait till next week. I'll let you know. 

On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 15:07, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh yeah.  No problem there directly in Max.  I haven’t had that problem at all within Max directly, even with the current object release.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
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To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
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Ok, but max sees the object? 

 

On Sat 26 Oct 2019, 15:35 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.  Still getting that “Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.”  Something else is going on.  Thanks, anyways.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:15 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
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Can you try the binaries here. I don't have Max, or Max4Live so I've no idea if these will work. You should make sure Csound is installed. Let me know how you get on. I'm not sure how much more I can do on my end without having the tools to test these. The CMake script is pretty minimal for this project. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 23:36, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I think you can take that code out of the CMakelists.txt file, if you are sure you have all the dependencies installed. I just did that here and I got a little further. Once Cmake runs it will generate an MSVC project for you. Set the csound~ as the startup project and then add the include dirs for libsndfile, pthread and Csound. You'll also need to add info for the Additional Libraries and Libraries Inlcude dir in your project settings for pthread and libsndfile. This should get you close to a build.. I'm sorry I don't have time to pursue it here, but I'm happy to try and guide you if I can. 

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 22:38, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Let me take a look..

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:11, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, this is what I am running into when attempting to compile:

 

Error                      CMake Error at D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt:40 (check_deps):

  Unknown CMake command "check_deps".                        D:\Documents\GitHub\csound_tilde\CMakeLists.txt        40               

 

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From: Victor Lazzarini
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:38 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I see, it's not removed from Csound, it's just linkage. Yes, I'd say it does not need linking again, although in some systems linking could fail I guess because of undefined symbols in Csound. On MacOS, it seems to be fine.

 

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 17:34, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing libsndfile makes sense to me as it's for the csound~ plugin, not for Csound (which has it's own linking to it). One less dependency to deal with for the plugin and Csound continues to function as usual.  I could imagine conflicts happening in the same way dynamic links to pthread did before it was removed. 

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:32 AM Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote:

Removing libsndfile sounds like a crazy idea. Without it, you won't  have any access to soundfile input, no GEN1, no diskin, etc

 

Why?

Prof. Victor Lazzarini

Maynooth University

Ireland


On 25 Oct 2019, at 16:29, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think the lack of development has anything to do with the face that CS$Live was monetized. I think it's simply down to the fact that none of the core devs have the tool to test this stuff. And I think it also uses some third party headers and libraries that make maintaining it even harder. I see reference to Boost there too. 

 

I took a look at the 'fix' that got it working on the Mac forum. Removing libsndfile seems like overkill, but I'm glad that it's working now. Things are different on Windows because libsndfile is statically linked to Csound. Have you tried to build on Windows? I don't know how current the CMake buid in that repo is, but you can start by cloning the repo, installing CMake, create a dir in the repo called build, cd to build and try running:

cmake -G "Visual Studio 15 2017 Win64" .. 

That should create a VS project. Crank it open and see how far you get. For what it's worth I can try to take a look in a few weeks, but right now I don't have access to a Windows machine that I can test on.  

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

If we can get csound~ working in win10 I’ll maintain it since I actually use csound~ inside Ableton on both platforms. 

 

I think there may be some confusion and reticence to maintain it since CS4LIVE was monetized but it’s crucial for a bunch of things for me so I am hopeful we can get it sorted out 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 AM Patrick.Pagano~ <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks!

That is in fact a solution for Mac and it works
I cannot find a working version for WIN10 though
can someone help with that?



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Date2019-10-27 04:28
From"Patrick.Pagano~"
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-27 09:12
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SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

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on windows10 it does not work
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Date2019-10-27 14:52
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
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Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

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on windows10 it does not work
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Date2019-10-27 15:35
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Can you post the output of the max console?

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Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 17:14
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

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On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 20:58
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

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Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

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Can you post the output of the max console?

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Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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From: Rory Walsh
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To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
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Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 21:25
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 21:36
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 22:25
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 22:28
Frompat pagano
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 22:49
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-27 22:52
Frompat pagano
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 00:42
Frompat pagano
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Thanks for looking at this sincerely 
I am installing VS community now


Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

i am a novice in VS 



On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 04:21
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 07:55
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for looking at this sincerely 
I am installing VS community now


Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

i am a novice in VS 



On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 13:02
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for looking at this sincerely 
I am installing VS community now


Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

i am a novice in VS 



On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 17:17
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
It was actually a 64 bit one, with the wrong extension. Glad it's working. 

On Mon 28 Oct 2019, 18:06 Josh Moore, <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
ahh, there's the 64 bit version. the one you linked a couple days ago was mxe (32 bit) this one is mxe64(64 bit)

works in the latest max and live.

thanks rory

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 7:02 AM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for looking at this sincerely 
I am installing VS community now


Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

i am a novice in VS 



On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 18:28
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Definitely works.  Max folks might light having it as standalone. 

 

BTW I found a way to throw the error directly in Max.  Put the *.csd file in quotations when you’re entering it as an argument for the object.  I’m guessing Ableton 10 borks the argument string, somehow.  “Can't compile. Please provide a valid csound message first” refers to checking if the argument list is valid:

       if(!m_args.ArgListValid())

 

     

      

 

        

       {

 

     

      

 

        

              m_msg_buf.add(message::_ERROR_MSG, "Can't compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.");

 

     

      

 

        

              return COMPILATION_FAILURE;

 

     

      

 

        

       }

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 10:02 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 21:06
FromCelso Machado
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Hey Rory, 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

Best Regards
Celso

On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for looking at this sincerely 
I am installing VS community now


Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

i am a novice in VS 



On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 21:20
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-28 23:10
FromCelso Machado
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Hi Justin, 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

Thanks a lot!
Celso


On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Hi Celso,
Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.
Justin

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 10, Version 1903
 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 
 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-28 23:28
FromEnrico Fiocco
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Hello,

here’s the link for the last mac version of csound~

https://github.com/csound/csound/releases/download/6.07.0/Csound_tilde.6.07-OSX.zip

make sure you have the 64bit version of csound installed and that you run max map in 64 bit.

cheers
E



On 29 Oct 2019, at 00:10, Celso Machado <celsomachadojr@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Hi Justin, 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

Thanks a lot!
Celso


On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Hi Celso,
Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.
Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 10, Version 1903
 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 
 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-28 23:40
FromEnrico Fiocco
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
i can’t find the maxhelp on GitHub, i uploaded and old help:







On 29 Oct 2019, at 00:10, Celso Machado <celsomachadojr@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Hi Justin, 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

Thanks a lot!
Celso


On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Hi Celso,
Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.
Justin

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 10, Version 1903
 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 
 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-29 00:05
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
ahh, there's the 64 bit version. the one you linked a couple days ago was mxe (32 bit) this one is mxe64(64 bit)

works in the latest max and live.

thanks rory

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 7:02 AM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for looking at this sincerely 
I am installing VS community now


Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

i am a novice in VS 



On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

..a quick search reveals this..


The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

pp

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work
i simply get no object and it's in Library




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Date2019-10-29 01:10
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-29 02:54
Frompat pagano
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Hi 
It opens on Windows 10 Pro and Ableton 10.1.3 and Max 8 latest version 
It also loads the instruments and makes csound but after dropping an instrument OR an effect i can no longer drag and drop anything in the ableton session

So say i want to add a reverb after i put in the fm synth from CSLive i can double click it but i can no longer drag and drop ANYTHING 
Biot sure if that's a Max thing now or what 
maybe it's thinking it's a stand alone?

pp




 





On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:10 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-29 03:06
Frompat pagano
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
i saved a session with an CSinstrument in it and after re-opening normal behavior seems to have returned

Thank you Rory and everyone else who helped get this working again 

so great




On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:54 PM pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi 
It opens on Windows 10 Pro and Ableton 10.1.3 and Max 8 latest version 
It also loads the instruments and makes csound but after dropping an instrument OR an effect i can no longer drag and drop anything in the ableton session

So say i want to add a reverb after i put in the fm synth from CSLive i can double click it but i can no longer drag and drop ANYTHING 
Biot sure if that's a Max thing now or what 
maybe it's thinking it's a stand alone?

pp




 





On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:10 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-29 08:20
FromCelso Machado
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Thank you very much Enrico, Justin and Rory. csound~ is working here!

All the best!
Celso

On 29 Oct 2019, at 02:10, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:
This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-29 11:22
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
You can find binaries for both OSX and Windows here:
The OSX version is missing some functionality at present, but I can't look into it as I don't have access to a Mac right now. I should do in a few weeks, however, so I can take a look then.    

On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 at 08:20, Celso Machado <celsomachadojr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you very much Enrico, Justin and Rory. csound~ is working here!

All the best!
Celso

On 29 Oct 2019, at 02:10, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:
This contains all the instructions how to use the object.
 
To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
 
Hi Justin, 
 
I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?
 
Thanks a lot!
Celso
 
 
On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
 
Hi Celso,
Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.
Justin
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
 
Hey Rory, 
 
would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?
 
I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 
 
Best Regards
Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
 
I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 
 
Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 
 
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 
 
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for looking at this sincerely 
I am installing VS community now
 
 
Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?
 
i am a novice in VS 
 
 
 
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  
 
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 
 
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....
 
..a quick search reveals this..
 
 
The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 
 
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 
if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine
 
pp
 
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 10, Version 1903
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
 
Justin what version of Windows are you using? 
 
On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:
on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-29 14:52
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Yeah the drag and drop thing is a bug I Ableton that I get, as well.  I tried getting Ableton to look into it, but they pretty much blamed the csound~  object and didn’t do anything about it.

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On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:54 PM, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi 
It opens on Windows 10 Pro and Ableton 10.1.3 and Max 8 latest version 
It also loads the instruments and makes csound but after dropping an instrument OR an effect i can no longer drag and drop anything in the ableton session

So say i want to add a reverb after i put in the fm synth from CSLive i can double click it but i can no longer drag and drop ANYTHING 
Biot sure if that's a Max thing now or what 
maybe it's thinking it's a stand alone?

pp




 





On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:10 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-30 03:02
Frompat pagano
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
Justin
Try this 
Drop an instrument in a channel 
save 
re-open 
does the bug persist?

pp




On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah the drag and drop thing is a bug I Ableton that I get, as well.  I tried getting Ableton to look into it, but they pretty much blamed the csound~  object and didn’t do anything about it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:54 PM, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi 
It opens on Windows 10 Pro and Ableton 10.1.3 and Max 8 latest version 
It also loads the instruments and makes csound but after dropping an instrument OR an effect i can no longer drag and drop anything in the ableton session

So say i want to add a reverb after i put in the fm synth from CSLive i can double click it but i can no longer drag and drop ANYTHING 
Biot sure if that's a Max thing now or what 
maybe it's thinking it's a stand alone?

pp




 





On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:10 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-30 04:00
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

Yes.

 

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From: pat pagano
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:03 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin

Try this 

Drop an instrument in a channel 

save 

re-open 

does the bug persist?

 

pp

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah the drag and drop thing is a bug I Ableton that I get, as well.  I tried getting Ableton to look into it, but they pretty much blamed the csound~  object and didn’t do anything about it.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:54 PM, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi 

It opens on Windows 10 Pro and Ableton 10.1.3 and Max 8 latest version 

It also loads the instruments and makes csound but after dropping an instrument OR an effect i can no longer drag and drop anything in the ableton session

 

So say i want to add a reverb after i put in the fm synth from CSLive i can double click it but i can no longer drag and drop ANYTHING 

Biot sure if that's a Max thing now or what 

maybe it's thinking it's a stand alone?

 

pp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:10 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-30 06:02
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I don't have this problem, I can drag effects into it just fine but I have my own instruments copypasta from PD which I'm using more these days cuz it runs on the Pi and Linux realtime is getting really good now.

I think it might be cs4live not using standard or deprecated Live widgets. 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:00 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes.

 

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From: pat pagano
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:03 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin

Try this 

Drop an instrument in a channel 

save 

re-open 

does the bug persist?

 

pp

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah the drag and drop thing is a bug I Ableton that I get, as well.  I tried getting Ableton to look into it, but they pretty much blamed the csound~  object and didn’t do anything about it.

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On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:54 PM, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi 

It opens on Windows 10 Pro and Ableton 10.1.3 and Max 8 latest version 

It also loads the instruments and makes csound but after dropping an instrument OR an effect i can no longer drag and drop anything in the ableton session

 

So say i want to add a reverb after i put in the fm synth from CSLive i can double click it but i can no longer drag and drop ANYTHING 

Biot sure if that's a Max thing now or what 

maybe it's thinking it's a stand alone?

 

pp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:10 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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Date2019-10-30 15:12
FromJustin Rosander
SubjectRe: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working
I am going to be fiddling around a bit with some fresh max4live devices and *.csd files to that end, and see if I can come up with a workaround.

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On Oct 30, 2019, at 2:02 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't have this problem, I can drag effects into it just fine but I have my own instruments copypasta from PD which I'm using more these days cuz it runs on the Pi and Linux realtime is getting really good now.

I think it might be cs4live not using standard or deprecated Live widgets. 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:00 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes.

 

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From: pat pagano
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:03 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin

Try this 

Drop an instrument in a channel 

save 

re-open 

does the bug persist?

 

pp

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah the drag and drop thing is a bug I Ableton that I get, as well.  I tried getting Ableton to look into it, but they pretty much blamed the csound~  object and didn’t do anything about it.

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On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:54 PM, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi 

It opens on Windows 10 Pro and Ableton 10.1.3 and Max 8 latest version 

It also loads the instruments and makes csound but after dropping an instrument OR an effect i can no longer drag and drop anything in the ableton session

 

So say i want to add a reverb after i put in the fm synth from CSLive i can double click it but i can no longer drag and drop ANYTHING 

Biot sure if that's a Max thing now or what 

maybe it's thinking it's a stand alone?

 

pp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:10 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Drop the contents of the help folder here into the same folder you saved the csound~object:

https://github.com/csound/csound_tilde

This contains all the instructions how to use the object.

 

To my knowledge, there is not a resource file.

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:10 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hi Justin, 

 

I did manage to do that with an old csound~ object. The one here posted by Rory has the extension .mxe64 which is not recognised by my max (i don’t know whether it ’s because I m a mac user) when I try to search the file the way you suggested. Should not that be .mxo extension? By the way, does it have a help file?

 

Thanks a lot!

Celso

 

 

On 28 Oct 2019, at 22:20, Justin Rosander <justinrosander@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

 

Hi Celso,

Put the csound~ object in a folder where you will remember where it is.  In Max, go to Options > File Preferences.  Click ‘+’ to Add Path, and enter the path to the folder where you placed the object.

Justin

 

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From: Celso Machado
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:06 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Hey Rory, 

 

would you mind writing the steps to get the csound~ for Max 8 installed (mac/mojave 10.14.6)  or if the explanation is already somewhere in the internet, to send me please the link to it?

 

I don’t have a clue how to get csound~ working in Max but I would love to have a go. 

 

Best Regards

Celso



On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:02, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

 

I managed to get Max 8 installed here and was able to successfully get csound~ running with it. The binaries are here. I've also made a pull request for the csound tilde repo with some changes to the CMakelists.txt file, so it should be easier to create a Windows version in the future. Note that this object links statically to Csound and libsndfile so you don't need to even have them installed to use it. It's more or less completely standalone. 

 

Let me know how you get on. If it works I can look at creating a new release for the csound~ repo and we can put the packages for OSX and Windows up there. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 07:55, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Windows Universal, C/C++ development, and the latest Windows SDK. That should see you right. You don't need Python Dev tools for this particular build. 

 

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 00:43, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for looking at this sincerely 

I am installing VS community now

 

 

Should i check Windows Universal & Python Dev?

 

i am a novice in VS 

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:49 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Yeah, the community version is free and is used to build Csound. I managed to create a VS project that builds but rather than sharing that I will try to spend some time on making the Cmake script a little more Windows friendly. That will save Windows users a lot frustration in the future. Note that I'm linking to the packages the Csound Windows builds installs, so building Csound from source on Windows is a good first step. If I get it working I'll create a CI build that will simply produce binaries each time anyone makes some changes to the source.  

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:52, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah that is quite interesting. I don’t have Visual Studio presently is there a version that is free for educators? I have no problem switching if it helps 

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I don't think you should try building with MinGW. For the last few years Csound is being built with Visual Studio, and considering that the Max API now recommend building externals on Windows with VS, it's probably best to ditch mingw. In fact, I can recall reaching out the Max devs at one point about compiling 64bit binaries with mingw....

 

..a quick search reveals this..

 

 

The binaries I created were built with VS. It's odd that Justin and Josh can get Max to see the version I built? 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 22:29, pat pagano <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

i tested it in regular Max install and the bundled 8 version that comes with Ableton 

if you want to send me stuff to try compiling here i have cmake and gcc {MINGW] on this machine

 

pp

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:26 PM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Right now it’s all 64 bit since Max 8.  The csound~ object is 64 bit.

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Does Max/MSP even have a 32bit version at this point? The last public release of 32bit Csound was in 2016 if I remember correctly. Live had 32 bit versions right up until 9 I think, but if people are looking for a 32bit build of csound~ they will need to first build a 32bit version of Csound. I'd suggest that a 32bit build might be a bridge too far. The only other reason why it might not even load would be that the Csound library is not found, but I thought the Max console would at least give a message about it can't load the library. I'll be back to normal internet speeds soon. Once I have a Max installed it should be easier to debug. 

 

I've always been in favour of building a Max version of the the cosund_api_tilde for Pd. Mostly because the source is much more straightforward as easier to maintain. On the other hand, it would mean losing some of the extra bling you get with csound~. On top of this it would also involve a rewrite of many existing Max/Csound patches, which sucks. 

 

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 21:22, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might have something to do with 64 bit

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

So it seems that the object is seen on some peoples win10 machines but not others? That sounds awfully suspect...?

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 18:14 Justin Rosander, <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Can’t compile. Please provide a valid csound message first.

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On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you post the output of the max console?

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Justin Rosander <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10, Version 1903

 

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From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 5:12 AM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound~ with Ableton 10 & CS4LIVE not working

 

Justin what version of Windows are you using? 

 

On Sun 27 Oct 2019, 05:17 Patrick.Pagano~, <shreeswifty@gmail.com> wrote:

on windows10 it does not work 
i simply get no object and it's in Library 




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