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[Csnd] Can extra release time be read?

Date2024-01-17 20:10
Fromandy fillebrown
Subject[Csnd] Can extra release time be read?
When the `release` opcode returns 1, is there any way to know how much extra time has been added by the various envelope opcodes like `mxadsr` or is this something I need to keep track of myself? I feel like the release time is known by Csound internally, but I'm not seeing an opcode that lets me get that value.

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Date2024-01-17 20:14
Fromandy fillebrown
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Can extra release time be read?
I see that `lastcycle` is documented as taking the envelope release time into consideration for the `linesegr` and `xtratim` opcodes, but it does not seem to take the `mxadsr` opcode's release time into account when driving the instrument from MIDI. Is this expected?

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:10 PM andy fillebrown <andy.fillebrown@gmail.com> wrote:
When the `release` opcode returns 1, is there any way to know how much extra time has been added by the various envelope opcodes like `mxadsr` or is this something I need to keep track of myself? I feel like the release time is known by Csound internally, but I'm not seeing an opcode that lets me get that value.

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Date2024-01-17 21:36
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Csnd] [EXTERNAL] [Csnd] Can extra release time be read?
yep, there isn't an opcode, but the time added to the performance is the largest of all of the extra times employed.

An opcode would be handy though

Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

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When the `release` opcode returns 1, is there any way to know how much extra time has been added by the various envelope opcodes like `mxadsr` or is this something I need to keep track of myself? I feel like the release time is known by Csound internally, but I'm not seeing an opcode that lets me get that value.

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Date2024-01-17 21:39
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Csnd] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Csnd] Can extra release time be read?
mxadsr is based on expsegr afaik (basically a frontend to it) so it should work similarly.

Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

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I see that `lastcycle` is documented as taking the envelope release time into consideration for the `linesegr` and `xtratim` opcodes, but it does not seem to take the `mxadsr` opcode's release time into account when driving the instrument from MIDI. Is this expected?

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:10 PM andy fillebrown <andy.fillebrown@gmail.com> wrote:
When the `release` opcode returns 1, is there any way to know how much extra time has been added by the various envelope opcodes like `mxadsr` or is this something I need to keep track of myself? I feel like the release time is known by Csound internally, but I'm not seeing an opcode that lets me get that value.

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Date2024-01-17 21:43
FromEduardo Moguillansky
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Can extra release time be read?

Do you have an example to test? Internally csound does not make any difference between linsegr or any other time extending envelopes. Always the longest of the envelopes sets the extra time. lastcycle will only not fire if the note is turned off without release, which should not be the case for midi events.

If you need to be notified when a note has actually stopped, I would recommend `atstop`:

https://csound-plugins.github.io/csound-plugins/opcodes/atstop.html

On 17.01.24 21:14, andy fillebrown wrote:
I see that `lastcycle` is documented as taking the envelope release time into consideration for the `linesegr` and `xtratim` opcodes, but it does not seem to take the `mxadsr` opcode's release time into account when driving the instrument from MIDI. Is this expected?

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:10 PM andy fillebrown <andy.fillebrown@gmail.com> wrote:
When the `release` opcode returns 1, is there any way to know how much extra time has been added by the various envelope opcodes like `mxadsr` or is this something I need to keep track of myself? I feel like the release time is known by Csound internally, but I'm not seeing an opcode that lets me get that value.

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Date2024-01-18 14:54
Fromandy fillebrown
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Can extra release time be read?
Ok, thank you for the information. I was not able to reproduce the issue in an example, but the effort showed me what I was doing wrong; the UDO with `lastcycle` in it was being called before the UDO with `madsr` in it. Switching the order of the UDOs fixed the problem I was seeing in my instrument.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 4:43 PM Eduardo Moguillansky <eduardo.moguillansky@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you have an example to test? Internally csound does not make any difference between linsegr or any other time extending envelopes. Always the longest of the envelopes sets the extra time. lastcycle will only not fire if the note is turned off without release, which should not be the case for midi events.

If you need to be notified when a note has actually stopped, I would recommend `atstop`:

https://csound-plugins.github.io/csound-plugins/opcodes/atstop.html

On 17.01.24 21:14, andy fillebrown wrote:
I see that `lastcycle` is documented as taking the envelope release time into consideration for the `linesegr` and `xtratim` opcodes, but it does not seem to take the `mxadsr` opcode's release time into account when driving the instrument from MIDI. Is this expected?

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:10 PM andy fillebrown <andy.fillebrown@gmail.com> wrote:
When the `release` opcode returns 1, is there any way to know how much extra time has been added by the various envelope opcodes like `mxadsr` or is this something I need to keep track of myself? I feel like the release time is known by Csound internally, but I'm not seeing an opcode that lets me get that value.

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