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[Csnd] need for jackd

Date2022-12-05 15:22
FromForrest Curo
Subject[Csnd] need for jackd
For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-05 15:26
FromDave Seidel
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Why not just use Alsa directly? This is what I do, and I'm quite happy with the quality.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:23 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-05 15:56
FromForrest Curo
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Okay, I used to need jack for csound (& other applications demand it) but I'll be happy enough not having to deal with so many quirks!

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:27 AM Dave Seidel <dave.seidel@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not just use Alsa directly? This is what I do, and I'm quite happy with the quality.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:23 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-05 16:03
FromDave Seidel
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
I've never needed to use jack with Csound.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:58 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, I used to need jack for csound (& other applications demand it) but I'll be happy enough not having to deal with so many quirks!

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:27 AM Dave Seidel <dave.seidel@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not just use Alsa directly? This is what I do, and I'm quite happy with the quality.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:23 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 08:49
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 15:32
FromForrest Curo
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 17:15
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 17:24
FromForrest Curo
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 17:31
FromForrest Curo
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Um, that search sends me to "qpwgraph"! Okay, something to try!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 18:12
FromForrest Curo
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
I now have qpwgraph 0.3.7; it looks good but is only showing me midi sources/sinks.

To show audio nodes? Do I need a later version, or merely to eliminate conflicting packages?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:31 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Um, that search sends me to "qpwgraph"! Okay, something to try!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 19:03
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
No you should just be able to output to jack or pulse like you normally do, as long as packages and modules are configured right (pipewire-jack/pipewire-pulse)

You will also gain the ability for pulse applications to be shown in the patch window

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


I now have qpwgraph 0.3.7; it looks good but is only showing me midi sources/sinks.

To show audio nodes? Do I need a later version, or merely to eliminate conflicting packages?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:31 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Um, that search sends me to "qpwgraph"! Okay, something to try!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 19:09
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Also yes if you have old jackd or old pulse those need removed you can use qjackctl but it will be using pipewire’s jack, not jackd

Also it does have RT kernel functions

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


I now have qpwgraph 0.3.7; it looks good but is only showing me midi sources/sinks.

To show audio nodes? Do I need a later version, or merely to eliminate conflicting packages?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:31 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Um, that search sends me to "qpwgraph"! Okay, something to try!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-07 23:09
FromForrest Curo
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Yes, it's working! (& now to listen to some things...)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:10 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Also yes if you have old jackd or old pulse those need removed you can use qjackctl but it will be using pipewire’s jack, not jackd

Also it does have RT kernel functions

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


I now have qpwgraph 0.3.7; it looks good but is only showing me midi sources/sinks.

To show audio nodes? Do I need a later version, or merely to eliminate conflicting packages?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:31 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Um, that search sends me to "qpwgraph"! Okay, something to try!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-08 03:20
FromJosh Moore
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
Yay

Hopefully this helps someone else as well, like I said it took some time to fix my audio. Really great once it works

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


Yes, it's working! (& now to listen to some things...)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:10 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Also yes if you have old jackd or old pulse those need removed you can use qjackctl but it will be using pipewire’s jack, not jackd

Also it does have RT kernel functions

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


I now have qpwgraph 0.3.7; it looks good but is only showing me midi sources/sinks.

To show audio nodes? Do I need a later version, or merely to eliminate conflicting packages?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:31 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Um, that search sends me to "qpwgraph"! Okay, something to try!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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Date2022-12-08 04:25
FromForrest Curo
SubjectRe: [Csnd] need for jackd
There's an ubuntu package for the qpwgraph program. Then the first 3 steps here work to replace pulseaudio, & the resulting sound is great already!

I'll finish the rest later, thanks!!!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 7:21 PM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Yay

Hopefully this helps someone else as well, like I said it took some time to fix my audio. Really great once it works

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


Yes, it's working! (& now to listen to some things...)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 11:10 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Also yes if you have old jackd or old pulse those need removed you can use qjackctl but it will be using pipewire’s jack, not jackd

Also it does have RT kernel functions

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


I now have qpwgraph 0.3.7; it looks good but is only showing me midi sources/sinks.

To show audio nodes? Do I need a later version, or merely to eliminate conflicting packages?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:31 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
Um, that search sends me to "qpwgraph"! Okay, something to try!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:
[So far] I find no human-friendly interface for controlling pipewire.

qwgraph perhaps? Maybe I can find a link via The Evil Google -- but not, apparently the lame duckduck. Could you send a link for that download?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:16 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well that is better at least we know its running

As i said check packages… pipewire will conflict with *all* pulseaudio/jack/alsa packages it completely takes over your sound card and breaks regular sound servers. ie, no more jackd etc there are library conflicts. it instead *replaces* all of these, i spent some hours getting sound out of my browser cuz of this. but its cool when you get it to work.



Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


~$ pipewire
[E][02429.920421] mod.protocol-native | [module-protocol-:  660 lock_socket()] server 0x560d0a4fa310: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)
[E][02429.920730] pw.conf      | [          conf.c:  560 load_module()] 0x560d0a4e1170: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
[E][02429.921164] default      | [      pipewire.c:  123 main()] failed to create context: Resource temporarily unavailable
(?)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:50 AM Josh Moore <kh405.7h30ry@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have pipewire installed?

If so 

1. make sure nothing is competing with pipewire-jack, pipewire-alsa, or pipewire-pulseaudio packages
2. download qwgraph

then you will be allowed to use qjackctl (or qwgraph) to make connections and all the servers will sit happily next to each other without using wacky sinks or any of that stuff

otherwise it will break everything

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:


For some ellusive reason my system (ubuntu 22.04) no longer starts jackd from qjackctl.

Am I out of luck as far as getting clean audio from csound? Are there alternatives that work as well? -- in what circumstances, what level of use?

Forrest Curo
San Diego
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