what amazing work you (steven, hlodver, ed) have done with ide.csound.com!!!
it works nicely also with firefox now!

i am just trying out a bit more.  questions:

1. there is no "save as", right?
2. i expected the active tab to be played back when i hit the run button 
but this does not work.
    do i have to re-configure the target each time i want to change the 
.csd which is played back?
3. i cannot close an active tab.  (once i push the cross, a "close" 
button appears but cannot be pushed.  closing a non-active tab works.) 
is this a bug, or is it intended?

thanks -
	joachim

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+1 for a Save As option.

Art Hunkins
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On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:10 PM joachim heintz  wrote:
>
> what amazing work you (steven, hlodver, ed) have done with ide.csound.com!!!
> it works nicely also with firefox now!
>
> i am just trying out a bit more.  questions:
>
> 1. there is no "save as", right?
> 2. i expected the active tab to be played back when i hit the run button
> but this does not work.
>     do i have to re-configure the target each time i want to change the
> .csd which is played back?
> 3. i cannot close an active tab.  (once i push the cross, a "close"
> button appears but cannot be pushed.  closing a non-active tab works.)
> is this a bug, or is it intended?
>
> thanks -
>         joachim
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I noticed that the active tab is saved when you press play, but that happens *after* Csound starts playing.
Therefore if you stop the playback and play again you will hear it. That looks like a simple bug.

Another aspect that I find might be better for beginners is to avoid the #include statements and extra
files. It would be better imho if there was just a CSD with sample code in it.
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 7 Feb 2021, at 19:10, joachim heintz  wrote:
> 
> *Warning*
> 
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> 
> what amazing work you (steven, hlodver, ed) have done with ide.csound.com!!!
> it works nicely also with firefox now!
> 
> i am just trying out a bit more.  questions:
> 
> 1. there is no "save as", right?
> 2. i expected the active tab to be played back when i hit the run button
> but this does not work.
>   do i have to re-configure the target each time i want to change the
> .csd which is played back?
> 3. i cannot close an active tab.  (once i push the cross, a "close"
> button appears but cannot be pushed.  closing a non-active tab works.)
> is this a bug, or is it intended?
> 
> thanks -
>       joachim
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I very much agree with Victor's statement about includes. Most
beginners will only be doing simple .csd's, and it should be simple to
load, edit and save them. The whole Projects concept is fine for
advanced users, but a simpler workflow should be available as well
IMO.

Art Hunkins
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:03 AM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>
> I noticed that the active tab is saved when you press play, but that happens *after* Csound starts playing.
> Therefore if you stop the playback and play again you will hear it. That looks like a simple bug.
>
> Another aspect that I find might be better for beginners is to avoid the #include statements and extra
> files. It would be better imho if there was just a CSD with sample code in it.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> > On 7 Feb 2021, at 19:10, joachim heintz  wrote:
> >
> > *Warning*
> >
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> >
> > what amazing work you (steven, hlodver, ed) have done with ide.csound.com!!!
> > it works nicely also with firefox now!
> >
> > i am just trying out a bit more.  questions:
> >
> > 1. there is no "save as", right?
> > 2. i expected the active tab to be played back when i hit the run button
> > but this does not work.
> >   do i have to re-configure the target each time i want to change the
> > .csd which is played back?
> > 3. i cannot close an active tab.  (once i push the cross, a "close"
> > button appears but cannot be pushed.  closing a non-active tab works.)
> > is this a bug, or is it intended?
> >
> > thanks -
> >       joachim
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+1 for "just the csd" 

Dr. Richard Boulanger
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Electronic Production and Design
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> On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Arthur Hunkins <000001e1d761dea2-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
> 
> I very much agree with Victor's statement about includes. Most
> beginners will only be doing simple .csd's, and it should be simple to
> load, edit and save them. The whole Projects concept is fine for
> advanced users, but a simpler workflow should be available as well
> IMO.
> 
> Art Hunkins
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>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:03 AM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> 
>> I noticed that the active tab is saved when you press play, but that happens *after* Csound starts playing.
>> Therefore if you stop the playback and play again you will hear it. That looks like a simple bug.
>> 
>> Another aspect that I find might be better for beginners is to avoid the #include statements and extra
>> files. It would be better imho if there was just a CSD with sample code in it.
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>> 
>>>> On 7 Feb 2021, at 19:10, joachim heintz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> *Warning*
>>> 
>>> This email originated from outside of Maynooth University's Mail System. Do not reply, click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe.
>>> 
>>> what amazing work you (steven, hlodver, ed) have done with ide.csound.com!!!
>>> it works nicely also with firefox now!
>>> 
>>> i am just trying out a bit more.  questions:
>>> 
>>> 1. there is no "save as", right?
>>> 2. i expected the active tab to be played back when i hit the run button
>>> but this does not work.
>>>  do i have to re-configure the target each time i want to change the
>>> .csd which is played back?
>>> 3. i cannot close an active tab.  (once i push the cross, a "close"
>>> button appears but cannot be pushed.  closing a non-active tab works.)
>>> is this a bug, or is it intended?
>>> 
>>> thanks -
>>>      joachim
>>> 
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Hi Joachim,

Thanks!  Replies below:

1. There is no "save as" at the moment. Is this for saving a copy of
the file within the project?  If so, please file an issue at
https://github.com/csound/web-ide/issues and we will look at it when
we have a chance.

2. Yes, the CSD target system right now is set up where you create
targets and choose which CSD to run. I think we will change how this
works but most of our attention has been on the WebAudio Csound
release and related updates to go with it for the moment.  I think
there was a proposal to add an option to right-click to select a CSD
to run.  Feel free to file an issue and we can continue discussion
there.

3. I see an odd issue with closing tabs now too.  An issue on github
would be appreciated. There's a number of changes going on now with
the update to the newer WebAudio Csound that has caused a bit of a
cascade of changes that is ongoing and we can look at it as part of
that work.

>From other messages in this thread:

* Regarding save on run, that's a known bug we are aware of to fix.
Good reminder. :)

* For Projects, we've had in mind a while now to create starter
templates so when you create a project you can choose things like
single CSD, multi-file project, MIDI instrument, realtime processing,
etc.  Also, once project forking is implemented, users would have the
option to start any project based on another project which would also
address some of these issues.

* Please do file issues in Github for the Web-IDE, it's the best way
for us to keep track of things at the moment as our attention is
spread between various projects. Issues there are very much
appreciated!

Thanks!
Steven



On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:10 PM joachim heintz  wrote:
>
> what amazing work you (steven, hlodver, ed) have done with ide.csound.com!!!
> it works nicely also with firefox now!
>
> i am just trying out a bit more.  questions:
>
> 1. there is no "save as", right?
> 2. i expected the active tab to be played back when i hit the run button
> but this does not work.
>     do i have to re-configure the target each time i want to change the
> .csd which is played back?
> 3. i cannot close an active tab.  (once i push the cross, a "close"
> button appears but cannot be pushed.  closing a non-active tab works.)
> is this a bug, or is it intended?
>
> thanks -
>         joachim
>
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thanks steven!  i will file issues (proposals) in the github tracker.
cheers -
	joachim

On 08/02/2021 17:48, Steven Yi wrote:
> Hi Joachim,
> 
> Thanks!  Replies below:
> 
> 1. There is no "save as" at the moment. Is this for saving a copy of
> the file within the project?  If so, please file an issue at
> https://github.com/csound/web-ide/issues and we will look at it when
> we have a chance.
> 
> 2. Yes, the CSD target system right now is set up where you create
> targets and choose which CSD to run. I think we will change how this
> works but most of our attention has been on the WebAudio Csound
> release and related updates to go with it for the moment.  I think
> there was a proposal to add an option to right-click to select a CSD
> to run.  Feel free to file an issue and we can continue discussion
> there.
> 
> 3. I see an odd issue with closing tabs now too.  An issue on github
> would be appreciated. There's a number of changes going on now with
> the update to the newer WebAudio Csound that has caused a bit of a
> cascade of changes that is ongoing and we can look at it as part of
> that work.
> 
>>From other messages in this thread:
> 
> * Regarding save on run, that's a known bug we are aware of to fix.
> Good reminder. :)
> 
> * For Projects, we've had in mind a while now to create starter
> templates so when you create a project you can choose things like
> single CSD, multi-file project, MIDI instrument, realtime processing,
> etc.  Also, once project forking is implemented, users would have the
> option to start any project based on another project which would also
> address some of these issues.
> 
> * Please do file issues in Github for the Web-IDE, it's the best way
> for us to keep track of things at the moment as our attention is
> spread between various projects. Issues there are very much
> appreciated!
> 
> Thanks!
> Steven
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:10 PM joachim heintz  wrote:
>>
>> what amazing work you (steven, hlodver, ed) have done with ide.csound.com!!!
>> it works nicely also with firefox now!
>>
>> i am just trying out a bit more.  questions:
>>
>> 1. there is no "save as", right?
>> 2. i expected the active tab to be played back when i hit the run button
>> but this does not work.
>>      do i have to re-configure the target each time i want to change the
>> .csd which is played back?
>> 3. i cannot close an active tab.  (once i push the cross, a "close"
>> button appears but cannot be pushed.  closing a non-active tab works.)
>> is this a bug, or is it intended?
>>
>> thanks -
>>          joachim
>>
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